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CCP FoxFour
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Posted - 2016.06.20 16:41:12 -
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o7 Good bye IGB.
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Posted - 2016.06.20 16:45:35 -
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HyperFlareX wrote:Another overlay alternative would be Evolve's overlay. That said, I'm sad the IGB is going, seeing as we only used it for ingame stuff anyway (and GIFs. Can't forget the gifs!) DOTLAN, our mapper, etc. Are going to be much less convenient now  The convenience of having a small window that can be quickly managed is not going to be met by a normal browser, which will run in its own window.
Thanks for sharing Evolve. I didn't know about it.
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Posted - 2016.06.20 17:01:37 -
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Dominous Nolen wrote:RIP IGB.. Honestly this has been expected for a long time, sad to see it happening though because it is useful in alot of ways (especially in wormhole space for mapping)
There is a new CREST resource for tracking a characters location which means that can be done from outside the client and no need for the IGB, :D
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Posted - 2016.06.20 17:06:22 -
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Dex Cordell wrote:Dominous Nolen wrote:RIP IGB.. Honestly this has been expected for a long time, sad to see it happening though because it is useful in alot of ways (especially in wormhole space for mapping)
sheesh forgot about that one, goodbye mapper, dotlan...that's gonna generate an uproar. @CCP: where did you get the usage metrics? there's loads of people who absolutely rely on a variety of ingame browser WH mappers to light their way in a world without maps and autopilot routes. I'll hate being blind past the next wormhole.
We inserted some metrics a while ago every time one of the JavaScript callbacks was used but also just for every page load, how long the browser is open, etc.
WH mappers don't need the IGB. They can pull your location from CREST.
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Posted - 2016.06.20 17:07:13 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:And if you do not endorse overlays, you better change that. You remove a vital ingame tool and have no plans or ideas to replace it properly.
We are not saying you cannot use them, just that we don't support them and if they break... /shrug contact their dev not us.
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Posted - 2016.06.20 17:26:57 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Dex Cordell wrote:Dominous Nolen wrote:RIP IGB.. Honestly this has been expected for a long time, sad to see it happening though because it is useful in alot of ways (especially in wormhole space for mapping)
sheesh forgot about that one, goodbye mapper, dotlan...that's gonna generate an uproar. @CCP: where did you get the usage metrics? there's loads of people who absolutely rely on a variety of ingame browser WH mappers to light their way in a world without maps and autopilot routes. I'll hate being blind past the next wormhole. We inserted some metrics a while ago every time one of the JavaScript callbacks was used but also just for every page load, how long the browser is open, etc. WH mappers don't need the IGB. They can pull your location from CREST. Of course they do. I want to see the map ingame, while I check other things and actually keep being able to check other things and do not have to alt-tab out of the game to check an external app. Like what kind of reasoning are you even using... 
Is there a reason you're unwilling to use an Overlay?
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Posted - 2016.06.20 17:29:59 -
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Alexhandr Shkarov wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:o7 Good bye IGB. One of my favourite tools from the IGB was that I could link fittings directly from our doctrine page. Would there be a way that we can do something similar with CREST by giving them the option to download all fittings within the corporate/alliance doctrines. Right now I can simply put them into an HTML page within the auth, but after this it'll be really frustrating to import fits as new member (or after an update).
There is a CREST resource for creating fits. Fleet-Up uses this amazingly well. I log i to fleet-up, view the doctrines for my corp, pick the one I want to fly, click the sync to game link, switch to client, view fit in my saved fits, and buy it. So while a little longer it still works really well for that.
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Posted - 2016.06.20 17:41:32 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:Of course they do. I want to see the map ingame, while I check other things and actually keep being able to check other things and do not have to alt-tab out of the game to check an external app. Like what kind of reasoning are you even using... Is there a reason you're unwilling to use an Overlay? The overlays that I just stated are inadequate? Is there a reason why CCP cannot manage to maintain an IGB while other game developers can?
An overlay is inadequate but the IGB was not? How in the world does that make sense? Pretty much every overlay out there with a browser is years ahead of the IGB.
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Posted - 2016.06.20 17:42:22 -
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Caldranna wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Dex Cordell wrote:Dominous Nolen wrote:RIP IGB.. Honestly this has been expected for a long time, sad to see it happening though because it is useful in alot of ways (especially in wormhole space for mapping)
sheesh forgot about that one, goodbye mapper, dotlan...that's gonna generate an uproar. @CCP: where did you get the usage metrics? there's loads of people who absolutely rely on a variety of ingame browser WH mappers to light their way in a world without maps and autopilot routes. I'll hate being blind past the next wormhole. We inserted some metrics a while ago every time one of the JavaScript callbacks was used but also just for every page load, how long the browser is open, etc. WH mappers don't need the IGB. They can pull your location from CREST. Of course they do. I want to see the map ingame, while I check other things and actually keep being able to check other things and do not have to alt-tab out of the game to check an external app. Like what kind of reasoning are you even using... Is there a reason you're unwilling to use an Overlay? CCP, you wrote that "To be clear CCP does not officially endorse or support overlays and therefor does not guarantee that they work or don't cause unexpected problems with the EVE Online client." How are we supposed to use something that you do not really support? Is it really that hard to keep the In Game Browser with its basic functionality that has been used for many years?
Leaving it as it is would be a risk and we want to ensure our users are as safe as possible.
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Posted - 2016.06.20 17:43:57 -
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Tipa Riot wrote:Important is, to be able to open fittings on websites ingame ... or will this be removed? Also to be able to configure exactly which browser / params are used to open the ext. browser on link-click ingame.
You wont be able to do open a fitting for viewing no, but you can save it to a characters saved fits.
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Posted - 2016.06.20 18:11:00 -
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GoodGreyer Ayderan wrote:
Well this royally sucks.
I quite litterally using the IGB every day I play EVE. Dozens of times each play session.
As for Overwolf, all I know is that in the past (recent past) I've had to close Overwolf entirely, even without using Overwolf in Eve, because having it running in the background would make Eve graphics get all glitchy and especially mess with anti-aliasing for some reason.
Been using Overwolf myself for the past few months without an issue. Care to give it a try? I was also recently told about Evolve (https://www.evolvehq.com/welcome), so maybe give them a try?
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Posted - 2016.06.20 18:11:25 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:So...
The Steam Overlay blocks you from playing the game. Which is great.
The Overwolf browser does not have a bookmarks functionality. Which is great.
XFire apparently is a wild hit and miss whether it works.
Any other suggestions?
Just heard about Evolve today: https://www.evolvehq.com/welcome
Have not tried it myself though.
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Posted - 2016.06.20 19:21:12 -
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Blacksmoke16 wrote:@CCP FoxFour
How would one use the 'open specific contract' or 'Opening the market details for a specific item type' endpoint?
Send a post request to: https://crest-tq.eveonline.com/characters/[character_id]/ui/openwindow/marketdetails/
Body of it should look like:
{
"type": {
"href": "https://crest-tq.eveonline.com/inventory/types/0/",
"id": 586
}
}
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Posted - 2016.06.20 19:26:03 -
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Sheeana Harb wrote:I will be very frank here:
The (upcoming) removal of the IGB will make my ingame experience considerably less enjoyable. I use it quite often while in nullsec. Neither of the alternatives suggested in the devblog are good enough.
I'm very unhappy that the IGB is going away.
This food sucks.
VS
Any chance I could get this food without the nuts? I am actually allergic to them. :)
Once of those statements is useful the other is not. Care to take a guess which is yours?
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Posted - 2016.06.20 19:49:10 -
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Hey everyone,
Thanks for the great conversation so far. Going to head home and watch the new GoT episode. I will be back later. :)
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Posted - 2016.06.20 21:14:24 -
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Sheeana Harb wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Sheeana Harb wrote:I will be very frank here:
The (upcoming) removal of the IGB will make my ingame experience considerably less enjoyable. I use it quite often while in nullsec. Neither of the alternatives suggested in the devblog are good enough.
I'm very unhappy that the IGB is going away. This food sucks. VS Any chance I could get this food without the nuts? I am actually allergic to them. :) Once of those statements is useful the other is not. Care to take a guess which is yours? No reason to be this passive-aggesive, my feedback was frank not out of malice, but to save you time reading through it while getting my point across. I use (amongst other things) IGB to check KOS status of neutral pilots in nullsec, to view items on the market and their trends (via 3rd party, can't name it now, I'm away from home) and to view my alliance's forums. The biggest advantage of the IGB is that it stays withing the game client, so I can use the IGB while being able to play EVE and not needing to tab out or obscure the game's interface in other ways.
And in what way is an overlay not acceptable? It can blend into the UI almost as well as the IGB.
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Posted - 2016.06.20 21:16:17 -
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Axhind wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Dominous Nolen wrote:RIP IGB.. Honestly this has been expected for a long time, sad to see it happening though because it is useful in alot of ways (especially in wormhole space for mapping)
There is a new CREST resource for tracking a characters location which means that can be done from outside the client and no need for the IGB, :D Except that it doesn't actually work most of the time while IGB tracking does. If CREST would actually work reliably instead of on paper it would be less bad that IGB is going away. But even then it's going to be bad unless there is a way to link to in game fittings and similar that is very convenient with IGB right now.
Would love more details about when CREST is unreliable. The location tracking has been rock solid for me since we fixed the last few defects with it. Been using it in combination with Pathfinder (the WH mapping software) for a while now with no problem.
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Posted - 2016.06.20 21:17:12 -
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If you look at the body of the response it should help indicate what is wrong. The ID in the URL actually doesn't matter... quark with the CREST framework.
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Posted - 2016.06.20 21:20:07 -
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Feodor Mihailovici wrote:I haven't had the patience to search through the forum for this particular issue, so I am writing it below:
If you remove IGB you are practically kicking in the nuts all the serious Incursion-running communities (see WTM's WL Manager site which is being used by hundreds of people daily). That thing has a login token and notification system possible only through the IGB.
Another thing important to me and probably to other traders, my "view market details" is actually "open IGB" , bc my homepage is set to eve-central.com and I am able to check the real price of any item (while having a separate tab opened with the incursion waitlist).
You say you want to make our experience better ... then don't remove an old but valuable tool from the game. I am not even getting into breaking the immersion by having to use overlays or alt-tab, this is also an issue, but smaller than the above.
Incursion communities are already starting to adopt the new fleet API in CREST and build awesome tools around that. I have seen some of the stuff they are building and it will result in a much better experience for everyone.
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Posted - 2016.06.20 21:20:51 -
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Colonel Frost wrote:If you break Siggy, that will be very, very bad. Siggy is a sine qua non for wormholing. If it doesn't automatically populate the destination, track the jump mass or show the location of group members, it's nerfed to the point of uselessness.
It's bad enough for WHers that you killed off C5 farming with the Citadel expansion. Farming those sites was fun, and it carried a risk commensurate with the reward. Now we have to "farm" C5s by rolling them - which involves much more risk and takes much more time for much less reward.
The loss of Siggy will make wormhole space unplayable. It will be insult to injury.
Please rethink this decision.
Siggy just needs to update to use the CREST way of tracking and they will be fine. If they choose not to, well good thing there are other WH mapping choices out there.
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Posted - 2016.06.20 22:19:22 -
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Sered Woollahra wrote:@CCP FoxFour a few people have asked about an option to use a locally installed browser as in game browser but I don't think I have seen any responses to that. Is it something you see as feasible or not?
That isn't really a simple task unfortunately.
Sered Woollahra wrote:Second, the existing Third Parties Policies documentation on overlays mentions 'unfair advantage' and other, rather (out of necessity) vague language. Some things are not explicity allowed but condoned, unless they give you an 'unfair advantage' et cetera. It is not inconceivable that, one day, someone using an in game overlay browser has an advantage over someone who has to alt-tab out of game. Would that be considered 'unfair'? If CCP actively pushes us towards overlays for internet browsing, you may want to check up on your existing third party policies and verify whether they still fit the new situation.
Not going to speak for the security team, I will however pass this along to them. When I talked to them about this they said browsers in an overlay were perfectly allowed. As with policy changes in the past if they happen notice will be given.
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Posted - 2016.06.20 22:32:39 -
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Lt Shard wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:
That isn't really a simple task unfortunately.
Doesn't mean you cant try.
True, but it is a matter of prioritization. So many things we want to do and a limited number of devs.
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Posted - 2016.06.20 22:53:22 -
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Alan Greenspud wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:
Siggy just needs to update to use the CREST way of tracking and they will be fine. If they choose not to, well good thing there are other WH mapping choices out there.
This comment is everything that is wrong with CCP today. You simply do not care about the work and effort you customers have put into tools to support your game, and you just poop on them because it serves your purpose.
I'm not sure you understand who you're talking to. I really don't want to be rude so instead of trying to tell you how much I care I will suggest you go talk to any active third-party developer and ask them what they think of me. I know a few are a little annoyed with me and a few of the things I have done but I don't doubt they will all agree I care a HUGE amount about them and the work they do. Hell even right now a few of them are going to be upset they only have three months to do the work... but they still know how much I care. So please, don't give me this "CCP doesn't care" crap because it is complete garbage.
That is just my comment in response to you thinking I don't care... for the sake of not being a complete ******* I am going to not respond to how you think I treat third-party devs.
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